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	<title>Comments on: Top ten reasons to use Django for your web framework</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Isler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Isler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found your blog surfing and I wanted to add my 2c:

#1: There are some things that I would say aren&#039;t &quot;right now&quot;.  I&#039;m really waiting for them to overhaul the manipulator stuff which I think is coming in the next version.  I mean, Django is totally usable today, but there are some places where it is a bit verbose for what actually needs to be done.

#2 &amp; 3: This is key.  I&#039;ve never been happy with the way most non-PHP things deploy (and never happy with how PHP stuff is coded).  Django was so supremely easy to set up and deploy and doesn&#039;t error or go down (a problem I have had with Rails in shared setups).

#4: In my experience, Django (the whole system) is faster than most templating systems, never mind application frameworks.  Frankly, Django is able to render pages faster than PHP can include ADOdb.  It&#039;s also a good bit faster than Rails.  There is a downside to this though.  Django likes you to declare all your imports.  For example, in Rails I could just call Story.find(:id) while in Django I would have to do from mysite.stories.models import Sroty, from django.shortcuts import render_to_response, Story.objects.get(id=id).  I&#039;m guessing that the Django devs assumed that 10 seconds of my time was worth the speed advantage of loading only what is needed.  It may just be a Python thing as well.

#10: Django has an interesting community.  There&#039;s lots of help in the Rails community too and I&#039;m not sure that there is too much difference there.  I think the most interesting distinction is that Adrian and Jacob are the ones who write a lot about it - like, they&#039;re writing the Django book, they wrote Pro Django.  DHH (Rails creator) doesn&#039;t author the books about Rails.  I don&#039;t know whether that is good or bad, just a distinction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found your blog surfing and I wanted to add my 2c:</p>
<p>#1: There are some things that I would say aren&#8217;t &#8220;right now&#8221;.  I&#8217;m really waiting for them to overhaul the manipulator stuff which I think is coming in the next version.  I mean, Django is totally usable today, but there are some places where it is a bit verbose for what actually needs to be done.</p>
<p>#2 &amp; 3: This is key.  I&#8217;ve never been happy with the way most non-PHP things deploy (and never happy with how PHP stuff is coded).  Django was so supremely easy to set up and deploy and doesn&#8217;t error or go down (a problem I have had with Rails in shared setups).</p>
<p>#4: In my experience, Django (the whole system) is faster than most templating systems, never mind application frameworks.  Frankly, Django is able to render pages faster than PHP can include ADOdb.  It&#8217;s also a good bit faster than Rails.  There is a downside to this though.  Django likes you to declare all your imports.  For example, in Rails I could just call Story.find(:id) while in Django I would have to do from mysite.stories.models import Sroty, from django.shortcuts import render_to_response, Story.objects.get(id=id).  I&#8217;m guessing that the Django devs assumed that 10 seconds of my time was worth the speed advantage of loading only what is needed.  It may just be a Python thing as well.</p>
<p>#10: Django has an interesting community.  There&#8217;s lots of help in the Rails community too and I&#8217;m not sure that there is too much difference there.  I think the most interesting distinction is that Adrian and Jacob are the ones who write a lot about it &#8211; like, they&#8217;re writing the Django book, they wrote Pro Django.  DHH (Rails creator) doesn&#8217;t author the books about Rails.  I don&#8217;t know whether that is good or bad, just a distinction.</p>
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		<title>By: Django web framework quick installation &#187; Thoughts on Linux stuff and Search Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Django web framework quick installation &#187; Thoughts on Linux stuff and Search Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Iâ€™ve become so fond of Django so quickly, when I ran across these posts. Top Ten reasons to use Django for your web framework and Django for non-programmers A cool Django presentation is now available via Google Video. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Iâ€™ve become so fond of Django so quickly, when I ran across these posts. Top Ten reasons to use Django for your web framework and Django for non-programmers A cool Django presentation is now available via Google Video. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Django and Dreamhost - not now - Coder&#8217;s Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Django and Dreamhost - not now - Coder&#8217;s Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Argh! I simply cannot get Django to work on Dreamhost. I hereby eat my words. Iâ€™m really not worried about it, to be honest. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Argh! I simply cannot get Django to work on Dreamhost. I hereby eat my words. Iâ€™m really not worried about it, to be honest. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 04:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I haven&#039;t actually set it up on Dreamhost yet.

I&#039;m really not worried about it, to be honest.  I&#039;m pretty good at that sort of thing, and I&#039;ve already figured out how to install much trickier things (see my Cheetah Templates installation instructions).

Also, I&#039;ve got help.  I use the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://djangoutils.python-hosting.com/wiki/Project Template&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;project_template&lt;/a&gt;&quot; helper utility to set up my projects, and it makes an appropriate Dreamhost fastCGI config for me.

Still, I am finally at a good stopping point on one of my Django projects, so I&#039;ll be testing soon.  I&#039;ll be sure to post about it then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t actually set it up on Dreamhost yet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not worried about it, to be honest.  I&#8217;m pretty good at that sort of thing, and I&#8217;ve already figured out how to install much trickier things (see my Cheetah Templates installation instructions).</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve got help.  I use the &#8220;<a href="http://djangoutils.python-hosting.com/wiki/Project Template" rel="nofollow">project_template</a>&#8221; helper utility to set up my projects, and it makes an appropriate Dreamhost fastCGI config for me.</p>
<p>Still, I am finally at a good stopping point on one of my Django projects, so I&#8217;ll be testing soon.  I&#8217;ll be sure to post about it then.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lefkowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Lefkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,

thanks for taking the time to write this stuff up -- as a happy DreamHoster of many years who&#039;s just getting into Python, it&#039;s very helpful!

How&#039;s your experience been  getting Django running on DH?  I have to admit, when I see things like this, they tend to scare me:

http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Django

http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/921592d0c29573f8/2452af46c986d70e

Have you found Django-on-DH to be more of a joy, or more of a pain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>thanks for taking the time to write this stuff up &#8212; as a happy DreamHoster of many years who&#8217;s just getting into Python, it&#8217;s very helpful!</p>
<p>How&#8217;s your experience been  getting Django running on DH?  I have to admit, when I see things like this, they tend to scare me:</p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Django" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Django</a></p>
<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/921592d0c29573f8/2452af46c986d70e" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/921592d0c29573f8/2452af46c986d70e</a></p>
<p>Have you found Django-on-DH to be more of a joy, or more of a pain?</p>
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